Watchmen Roundtable


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Isa 28:25 When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place?

The fitches and the cummin are metaphor forthe serpents and scopions, the principle wheat are the multitudes, the barley are the first fruits, the 144,000 and the rie?

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  1. ashjustin says:

    Hey Chris,
    I listened to the show and it was good. I feel the fellowship. Praise the Lord..
    I wanted to tell you to be strong, but I remembered hearing John at Soldiers of the Cross talk about Gods strength in our weakness. So, I e-sworded weakness. It came back 7 times. That was edifying in itself. Then I read some of the scriptures and it is great.

    Also, like I said I feel the fellowship. I need more patience and understanding. I work with Mainstream Guys and I get frustrated and need to remember love. Thanks.

    Bro Ash

  2. tony says:

    My family would like to thank you my brothers for your studies. Have been listening to you all for a year now. and are very excited to hear you. What a blessing to meet true born again believers in Christ . Just know that you are helping the remanant body and may our Lord Jesus bless each and every one of you. May the Lord Bless you and keep you sharing the truth….. We love you .

  3. MarkJ says:

    Hi Chris you expressed who the rie or rye represents. Well hope this study helps defines them.
    Isa 28:25 When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place?

    The rie H3698 kûssemeth koos-seh’-meth
    From H3697; spelt (from its bristliness as if just shorn): – fitches, rie.

    Right there the rie and the fitches are the same.

    H3697 kâsam kaw-sam’
    A primitive root; to shear: – X only, poll. Compare H3765.

    H3765 kirsêm kir-same’
    From H3697; to lay waste: – waste.

    For one thing Gods people are not laid waste.

    Another interesting note about rie or rye.

    Rye (Secale cereale) is a grass grown extensively as a grain and as a forage crop. It is a member of the wheat tribe (Triticeae) and is closely related to barley (Hordeum) and wheat (Triticum).

    Humm, member of the church, member of the assembly, member of the twelve.

    Rye is highly susceptible to the ergot fungus. Consumption of ergot-infected rye by humans and animals results in a serious medical condition known as ergotism. Ergotism can cause both physical and mental harm, including convulsions, miscarriage, necrosis of digits, hallucinations and death. Historically, damp northern countries that have depended on rye as a staple crop were subject to periodic epidemics of this condition. There have been “occurrence[s] of ergotism with periods where there were high incidents of people persecuted for being witches. Emphasis was placed on the Salem witch trials in Massachusetts in 1692, where there was a sudden rise in the number of people accused of being witches, but earlier examples were taken from Europe, as well.”

    Ergotism is the effect of long-term ergot poisoning, traditionally due to the ingestion of the alkaloids produced by the Claviceps purpurea fungus which infects rye and other cereals, and more recently by the action of a number of ergoline-based drugs. It is also known as ergotoxicosis, ergot poisoning and Saint Anthony’s Fire. Ergot poisoning is a proposed explanation of bewitchment.

    The toxic ergoline derivatives are found in ergot-based drugs (such as methylergometrine, ergotamine or, previously, ergotoxine). The deleterious side-effects occur either under high dose or when moderate doses interact with potentiators such as azithromycin.
    Historically, eating grain products contaminated with the fungus Claviceps purpurea also caused ergotism.
    Finally, the alkaloids can also pass through lactation from mother to child, causing ergotism in infants.
    See ergotism for futher reading, look at history.

    Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries , nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

    Sorceries G5331 pharmakeia far-mak-i’-ah
    From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): – sorcery, witchcraft.

    Do not think of this in just a purely physical way. With all of this, rie are the locust.
    They are of the same family as the barley and the wheat.

    Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
    Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
    Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    So by deduction we have.

    The Barley
    The wheat

    The cumin and the rie/finches.

    Finches H7100 qetsach keh’-tsakh
    From an unused root apparently meaning to incise; fennel flower (from its pungency): – fitches.

    Not much there but look up incise.

    Webster’s Dictionary > Searching for incise:
    Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1913 edition:
    Incise (Page: 744)
    In*cise” (?), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Incised (?); p. pr. & vb. n. Incising.] [L. incisus, p. p. of incidere to incise: cf. F. inciser. See Incide.]
    1. To cut in or into with a sharp instrument; to carve; to engrave.
    I on thy grave this epitaph incise. T. Carew.
    2. To cut, gash, or wound with a sharp instrument; to cut off.
    Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1828 edition:
    INCI”SE, v.t. s as z. To cut in; to carve
    Fitch, a name for the spice kalonji, the seed of Nigella sativa (used in the King James’s Version of the Bible)
    Common names
    The scientific name is a derivative of Latin niger (black).[1] In English, Nigella sativa seed is variously called fennel flower, nutmeg flower, Roman coriander, blackseed or black caraway. Other names used, sometimes misleadingly, are onion seed and black sesame, both of which are similar-looking, but unrelated.
    The seeds are frequently referred to as black cumin (as in Assamese: kaljeera or kolajeera or Bengali kalo jeeray), In south Indian language Kannada it is called [ಕೃಷ್ಣ ಜೀರಿಗೆ] “Krishna Jeerige”, but this is also used for a different spice, Bunium persicum (= Carum bulbocastanum).
    Nigella sativa has a pungent bitter taste and smell. It is used primarily in confectionery and liquors. Peshawari naan is, as a rule, topped with kalonji seeds. Nigella is also used in Armenian string cheese, a braided string cheese called Majdouleh or Majdouli in the Middle East.

    So the rie/finches are one in the same, but to different aspects of the scorpions.
    Say like the Romans that nailed the nails and carried out the execution and of course the Judases. The Scorpion network if one defines it that way.

    Barley= 144k
    Wheat= Multitude

    Rie/finches= scorpions

    Webster’s Dictionary > Searching for cummin:
    Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1913 edition:
    Cummin (Page: 355)
    Cum”min (k?m”m?n), n. Same as Cumin.
    Ye pay tithe of mint, and cummin. Matt. xxiii. 23.

    Webster’s Dictionary > Searching for Cumin:
    Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1913 edition:
    Cumin (Page: 355)
    Cum”in (k?m”?n), n. [OE.comin, AS. cymen, fr. L. cuminum, Gr.; of Semitic origin, cf. Ar. kammn, Heb. kammn; cf. OF. comin, F. cumin. Cf. Kummel.] (Bot.) A dwarf umbelliferous plant, somewhat resembling fennel (Cuminum Cyminum), cultivated for its seeds, which have a bitterish, warm taste, with an aromatic flavor, and are used like those of anise and caraway. [Written also cummin.]
    Rank-smelling rue, and cumin good for eyes. Spenser.
    Black cumin (Bot.), a plant (Nigella sativa) with pungent seeds, used by the Afghans, etc.
    Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1828 edition:
    CUMIN, n. [L., Gr.] An annual plant of one species, whose seeds have a bitterish warm taste, with an aromatic flavor.

    Kind of like wormwood.
    The vipers.

    Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Isa 28:27 For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod.
    Isa 28:28 Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen.
    Isa 28:29 This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

    Why aren’t they not threshed? Because they are the threshing instrument.

    Principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie which equals the Judases the one lost, the one that goes into perdition, one of the 12.

    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


  4. Mike says:

    Just thought you’d like to know: The albigenses were gnostics, not Bible believing Christians as the SDA church would want you to believe. Sadly, they werehorribly persecuted by the roman catholic church that viewed them as rivals. That much is true! But their core believes where those of gnosticism, not christianity. I am sorry to say.

  5. Mike says:

    Just a little addition to my previous message:
    Here is a site that discusses the matter in more detail:

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